I also built a model of a C&S coaling chute and trestle in HOn3 about this time. I used the drawings Joel Crea published in Slim Gauge News. The thing ended up being about three feet long and had six chutes. I recall I had a devil of a time figuring out how to build the chute structure: it seemed easier to build the real thing than to model it. When my folks downsized, the model went somewhere--not sure who got it. I have a Crystal River model that I plan to use on the layout now.
And thanks for the Standard Privy Drawing. Perhaps I will make a few over the holiday. Certainly Leadville needs one next to the turntable pit. A handy place for the night watchman to set and ponder deep thoughts while keeping things hot!
Depot (Stone) 20 x 38
Freight house 20 x 60
Section house 16 x 28
Section house addition 12 x 16
Oil house 12 x 20
Store house 20 x 40
Round house (Stone) 6 stalls
Hand car house 10 x 12
Coal bin 14 x 230
Tank & appurts
Stock yard - 1 chute 24 x 48
Like Como, Gunnison had a stone roundhouse, and was the only South Park Division station to boast a stone depot.
Why do you think neither the UP or the C&S ever built coaling chutes at Gunnison?
1. Were the locomotives entering and leaving Gunnison from/to the east all coaled at Pitkin, less than 30 miles away?
2. Were the local locomotives used on the Baldwin branch (usually 2 locomotives were stationed at Gunnison for that purpose) coaled by hand from the coal bins, like at Buena Vista?
3. Were the branch locomotives coaled directly from the tipples at Baldwin? If so, any photos of this?
4. Anyone seen photographs of the locomotive coal bins at Gunnison?
Mac Poor listed in DSP&P that Breckenridge had a Combination Depot, Living Quarters and Freight House of 24x60 feet and a Coal bin of 12x85 feet.
If this longer structure to the right of the Depot was a Chute for Locomotive use how were the bins supplied and still able to service Locomotives alongside as it appears to be on the Depot track, not the Mainline. I see moving cars out of the way everytime Loco's needed to coal-up with this arrangement. Also in the 2nd view there appears to be of little height to dump directly into the Tenders.
Robert, how about posting this "Bogies and the Loop" photo you mentioned?
The same area under UP control after the Buda Sw-St's were installed.
In your first DPL picture, that’s not the depot on the left side (nor the wye behind it). Note the dark gable-end-on building just to the right of the coal dock; the depot is further to the right of that (behind the tree).
In the second DPL picture, the long structure to the right of the depot is the freight warehouse. The unfinished coal bins are to the left of he depot (at the far left edge of your crop).
Your last two pictures “UP control” and “C&S control” are cropped too far to the left. But if you look further right on the master images, you’ll see what appears to be a mill more or less where the coal dock was earlier.
The Bogies and the Loop picture (it looks like the area for the later mill has already been cleared):
Dr. Clinton H Scott photo from the Ed and Nancy Bathke Collection
Jim, I am sure that is a sand house, or bin, under the ramp at Pine Grove. All of the sand was loaded with buckets, so there wasn't any need for anything complicated to identify them. There would have been a sand bin or house everywhere there was an elevated coaling ramp. At Como it was once at the very end and was destroyed by a car being pushed off the ramp.
The mill has been completed, but the coal chute construction seems stalled (in medical jargon this is an example of chutus interruptus).
Finally, this DPL photo that Chris posted can not be any earlier than 1907 due to the C&S block lettering on the coal cars; the depot hasn't been repainted in the light and dark trim scheme, an event that seems to occur in other locations about 1908-1909.
I think we may both be right. By the 1930s, after the 2 additional chutes were added to the Pine structure, a sand house could well have been added.
But see my post on page 4 of the thread (Dec 20, 2015; 6:03pm Re: The C&S Pine Grove Sand House). The 1898 records show that a small sand house was in place at Pine. Neither of the two photos that I referenced, taken from the south (c 1910 and c1920), show the later bin or shed or "sand house", as you identify it, present between the bents under the ramp.
So, I still think the original sand house was located back by the crotch of the wye, near the original ash pit on the west leg of the wye. It may well have been abandoned as such, used for a shed, with a sand house located more conveniently under the ramp to the chutes by the late 1920s.
Well that certainly was a great Christmas present to the group.
I didn't pull up the uncompleted building under construction in my enlargments as I'd alway supposed that as Dickey and Como were more logical locations to Coal up Helpers than Breckenridge which had already had a Coaldock and/or Coalbins, and furthermore that as the Chamberlain was built there in almost the exact spot, that skeletal outline was just the Sampler under construction and thus I gave it no more thought.
Thanks Jeff and Jim for bringing this Gem Hidden in Plain Sight to a unexpected clarity.
Wrong Robert to be thanking-you should thank Bob Schoppe for his fine research and article.He did a follow up paragraph in the April 2013 issue proving that the Breckenridge chute and the Como chute were two different structures.