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Pipes on Flats

Doug Heitkamp
For your viewing pleasure…..


Doug Heitkamp
Centennial, CO
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Keith Hayes
My, what large pipes you have there.
Keith Hayes
Leadville in Sn3
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Jim Courtney
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Any idea of the location??

The size of the pipe on the flats suggest to me the Gold Pan Shops in Breckenridge, but I don't recognize the building.  The building in the background with the two turrets doesn't seem to fit, either, but tends to suggest Idaho Springs.  Chris??
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
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Tim Schreiner
Very cool pic!!
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Chris Walker
Jim is spot-on, that is indeed taken at Idaho Springs, the Mill building is the I.S. Reduction Company Concentrator.  
A wonderful image find Mr Doug!  These "streetview" captures are lacking along the the C&S which just makes this one all the more special in my book.

I'm wondering if these pipes are the Stacks for the Seaton Mountain Electric Plant?

1908 Sanborn

http://libcudl.colorado.edu:8180/luna/servlet/UCBOULDERCB1~21~21



http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/14256/rv/singleitem/rec/1
UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Robert McFarland
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There's a picture of a diamond stacked C&S Cooke Consolidation with a train of pipe loaded flats at Breckinridge in one of the Mineral Belt books
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Chris Walker
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More on the I.S. Reduction Company Concentrator here at http://c-sn3-discussion-forum.41377.n7.nabble.com/Idaho-Springs-Mid-Town-Ore-Processing-Part-2-td2167.html
UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Chris Walker
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An Off the Wall picture for Robert....

Tonopah Shops in Breckenridge.


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UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Jim Courtney
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I'm always amazed at the little details hiding in the DPL photos.  Consider the full photo of the enlargement that Chris posted:


http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/14256/rv/singleitem/rec/1

Hiding in the background is this:



First a tennis court at Baileys and now an indoor swimming pool at Idaho Springs--the C&S slogan could have been "The Sportsman's Road".

And this little foot bridge over Clear Creek just begs to be modeled:

Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
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Chris Walker
Sorry Doug, it looks like we shall digress a bit.

That location is Soda Creek, a source of year-round Hot Springs.  The Swimming Pool was known as the Natatorium, Roper dealt with it  http://coloradosouthern.blogspot.co.nz/2015/04/ropers-snapshot-saturday-no41.html

The Baths were originally across the street in a large Stone Building known as the I.S. Hot Soda Private and Swimming Baths, which after the new Natatorium was constructed, became a Lumber dealer.  The Fanciest Lumber Yard in all the West


http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/67655/rv/singleitem/rec/12


http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/3293/rv/singleitem/rec/16

Further up Soda Creek was the Hot Springs Hotel.


http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/7085/rec/4

And complete with Tennis Courts....


http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/10724/rv/singleitem/rec/3

One detail you missed Jim, is the Coal cars loaded with ore in front of the Newhouse Tunnel Powerhouse, and more importantly, the way the heavy ore is piled at each end unlike the coalcar loaded with the much lighter Coal.


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UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Jim Courtney
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OK, back to Doug's photo:

Chris speculated "I'm wondering if these pipes are the Stacks for the Seaton Mountain Electric Plant?"

The reweigh date on the "new" flat car in the foreground is "Denver, 1-05"; the Sanborn Map of 1908 shows the 2 stacks in place at the Electric Plant.  Is a time frame of 1905 to 1908 consistent with the erection of the Electric Plant and its stacks?
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
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Chris Walker
This post was updated on .
Ahh nope, the Steamplant was on the Sanborn maps for 1895, pre-dating the Concentrator.

I had it in the back of my mind that the Powerplant was upgraded after the Concentrator was built but that is not the case.  On reflection those pipes are way too small of a diameter for the smokestacks of the Steamplant, being more the diameter of those in the background at the Concentrator.  The ambiguity of these cars sitting on this particular siding perplexed me somewhat given previous research on this area of Idaho.  

All other ideas didn't gel either: any takers?


Photo courtesy of the Colorado School of Mines.
 
"Description: Photograph taken in Idaho Springs sometime between 1895 and 1915 showing the Gem Steam Electric Plant and its fire proof transformer house and warehouses. The Gem Steam Electric Plant, which used coal for fuel, had two Wicks' high pressure 250 horsepower tube boilers, pumps, Patent furnaces, and Jones' automatic strokers. The Gem Steam Electric Plant and the Gem Mining Company Hydroelectric Plant, which was located along Clear Creek two miles east of Idaho Springs, supplied electricity to the Gem Company Mills in Idaho Springs and to the Gem Mine in Gilson Gulch. The Gem Steam Electric Plant also supplied a portion of Idaho Springs with electricity and steam for heating. In 1901, another electric plant, the Cascade Electric Company opened in Idaho Springs, and it furnished electricity to some of the houses in town and to mines such as the Freeland and Lamartine. A rate war quickly broke out between the Gem Steam Electric Company and the Cascade Electric Company, which resulted in 95 percent of the houses in Idaho Springs having electricity by 1903. Over the years, a number of acquisitions and mergers took place among the electric companies operating in Clear Creek County. When the Big Five sold its interest in the Gem Mining Company, the Gem Steam Electric Company discontinued electric service to its customers and was taken over by Cascade Electric. In 1906, the Cascade Electric Company and the United Lighting and and Power Company were acquired by the United Hydroelectric Company, which constructed the hydroelectric plant in Georgetown and installed power lines over the mountains to Idaho Springs. That same year, the Central Colorado Power Company constructed the Shoshone hydroelectric plant on the Colorado River in Glenwood Canyon and installed a transmission line to supply power to the mines in the Leadville area. During 1908 and 1909, this transmission line was extended to Dillon, Breckenridge, Idaho Springs and Denver. It crossed the Continental Divide three times when it went over Hagerman, Fremont and Argentine passes. At Idaho Springs this transmission line was connected to the extensive system of lines belonging to the United Hydroelectric Company, which covered the important mining camps of Clear Creek and Gilpin counties."
UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Chris Walker
There was upgrading of the I.S. Municipal water supply according to the 1908 Sanborn Map but the watermains listed at that time were way smaller than what's on the Flatcars and the wagon in the background.  Odd also is that the Concentrator is listed as closed, and in 1917 listed as "Dismantled" by the USGS.

UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Doug Heitkamp
Great info Chris, keep digging for more gems. I appreciate it greatly!
Doug Heitkamp
Centennial, CO
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Chris Walker
No problem Doug,  I find this is rather perplexing.  

Given t-o-c we can rule out Hydraulic mining at I.S., if it was the Tonopah shops at Breckenridge then could consider that use.  Down here water mains were cast-iron pipe sections, not riveted so a nagging doubt about that, other photos I've brought to light on here show flume construction to Mills and Powerhouses as wooden-stave or box construction so adding in, that by this time period, we're looking at Electricity for Mill power if no water rights available: even more doubt.

Another use would be Vent-pipe for tunnel(mine) use such as shown here, that maybe the right size comparing human head/upper torso alongside in both pictures.  Tunnel ventures in the Clear Creek Mining District were indeed proliferate, if not that successful, the Newhouse and Big5 excepted.


http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/36846/rv/singleitem/rec/1

The major nag is... why the unloading* at this siding?  

After the closure of the I.S.Reduction Co Concentrator, the location on Water Street and the length of siding there, begs the question:
Is this photo evidence that the C&S was using this track as a Team track for I.S. ?  If so then there is an opening for operation not previously considered.

* maybe Loading but unlikely, given the adjacent Clear Creek Foundry & Machine, that had its own private siding,  appears to have closed sometime after the 1900 Sanborn Map was produced.  Given their siding was only one/two cars long, would they load a Wagon that high to transfer to rail that close?  Not really plausible.  George Stroehle & Sons Boiler & Iron Works had the use of the siding at their back door opposite the Gem Newton Mill so that would be out.

Anyone else got something to add?
UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Doug Heitkamp
Plowing thru eBay tonight, I ran into this picture. I'll post higher resolution scan once it arrives at the house! The picture is dated July 1906, and I don't think I've seen this one before.

Doug Heitkamp
Centennial, CO
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Jeff Young
Nice find!
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Re: Blue Ribbon Bottling Works.

Chris Walker
I'll Second that !!  Doug sure is coming up with some real Beauts.

I dropped the ball on this one, meant to hunt down the Multi-Turreted building but got lost elsewhere.

It's not in the 1895-ish pictures and seems to only appear after the IS Reduction Co concentrator was built and isn't there after that said Mill and the Bertha #1 were pulled down.  The Boarding house was on earlier Sanborn maps, the Bottling Works wasn't.  

I wonder what they bottled?  Was it Mineral Water from a Hot Spring (or Soda Creek) or maybe Clear Creek Crud

1908 Sanborn

http://cudl.colorado.edu/luna/servlet

Before


http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/67930/rv/singleitem


After


http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/p15330coll22/id/3309/rv/singleitem/rec/307
UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Bill Uffelman
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Given the mills and other effluents being discharged into the creek it gives new meaning to mineral water!

Bill Uffelman 
Attorney experienced in environmental litigation!

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Date:Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 1:04 AM
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Plowing thru eBay tonight, I ran into this picture. I'll post higher resolution scan once it arrives at the house! The picture is dated July 1906, and I don't think I've seen this one before.




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Robert McFarland
Animas River ORANGE Water?
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