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Lee Gustafson
If this question has been asked and answered before my apologies in advance as well as I should know the answer but don't. How many of the original Como round house stalls had pits? Thanks in advance.

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Lee Gustafson
I may have answered my own question but I'd like confirmation, were the pits an average of 50 feet long and ended about 5 feet 6 inches from the back wall? I also believe all six of the original stalls had pits. Confirmation or correction appreciated. Thanks.

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Rick Steele
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Hi Lee,

The valuation sketch shows the roundhouse actually being built in 4 separate sections. There are the original 6 stalls of masonry and 13 of wood frame, painted outside. All woodwork in masonry walls painted inside. It shows portion no. 2 as being 5 stalls, portion number 3 being 6 stalls and portion number 4 being 2 stalls.

The difference, I think is the difference in the outside cladding and the floors.

Part 4 shows a floor of 2" plank on est. 4 x 6 @ 2' centers - no pits.

floor #3 = dirt
floor #2 = dirt
floor #1 of 2" on 4x6 @ 30" centers
Boiler room = dirt floor

Are you aware that there was an office in the corner of the Roundhouse?

The valuation shows 12 Engine pits. However the stalls that have them (there were 19 stalls when the valuation was done) are not enumerated.

The pits show as the following

12 engine pits. 2-3 x 38' x 2-5 + 3-2 deep.
    cross sect. est. thns. - rgh rubble wall. est com. exc.

There is a rough cross section drawing showing a 12 x 12 piece of lumber mounted horizontally on top of a 12" x 2'6" (base) riser. It shows a floor of 2" rough plank.

Todd Hackett did a really nice drawing of the Roundhouse when it was being redone as far as the stalls and stall locations go.

Later in the valuation it shows each pit having 10' of 6" vitreous pipe in a 4" trench for drainage.

* Water + wash out pipe.-
    1 riser 6' of 2" wrought iron pipe 1 galvanized 4 fittings

3 connections each or 24' of 2" wrought iron pipe
    1 gate, 4 fittings. - intr. (interior?)
1 riser 6' of 2" wroughe iron pipe, 3 fittings
   main, under floor - 3 80' 9(?) of 3" wrought iron pipe

Heating, - in round house outofuse, - not connected
  1 coil 9 pcs  - 1 1/4" wrought Iron Pipe x 20' long
     9 fittings
  2' of 1" wrought Iron pipe  - 1 galvanized, 2 fittings
  3' of 1/2" wrought iron pipe - 1 galvanized, 1 fitting

* on Wash out system.
  1 steam pump - horizontal duplex
  Knowles 8x5x12 with fittings said to be owned by the city of Como
  foundation - concrete pier - tip 2' x 5' 4 sides 1:6
  batt top to floor  = 2' to bottom ext. 3-6
  exhaust. - 20' of 1 1/2" wrought Iron pipe.

This does show some interesting dichotomies, though. It shows the length of the stone portion of the Roundhouse as 56'5". It shows the length of the wooden portions as 60' (interior lengths, perhaps?). It also shows the section width on the face of stone portion as being 14' (between each angle) but on the wooden portion it shows a flat surface between door posts  of 12'.

Another hint. When you see a hyphenated dimension, it is feet and inches as far as I can figure out, so the pits would be 38 feet each, not 50. But remember, this inventory was what was visible to C. L. Dimmer from the ICC, not what was hidden by floor or filled in (I understand that stall 1 in the masonry section was the machine shop, so its pit would have been filled and covered). However, no machinery shows up in the inventory of the roundhouse contents., just lockers, a desk and lots of benches.

Since section 4 shows no pits and there were three escape (through) tracks shown going through section 2, that would pretty much eliminate 5 pits. IF stall 1 in the masonry section was filled in and planked over that would eliminate another for a total of 6. The next missing pit is anybody's guess.

Hope that this confuses you as much as the rest of us.

Rick
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Re: Como roundhouse pits

Lee Gustafson
Hi Rick,

Thank you ever so much for the response and information. I need to study and process this information as it does present dichotomies that confuse me. As with many DSP&P/C&S items, the research and information can lead to speculation and interpretation if not out right confusion. I may come back to you in a few days with some questions regarding this information as I process it. Again, thanks ever so much for this information and contributions to the group. Take care and best wishes.

Lee Gustafson


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Hi Lee,

The valuation sketch shows the roundhouse actually being built in 4 separate sections. There are the original 6 stalls of masonry and 13 of wood frame, painted outside. All woodwork in masonry walls painted inside. It shows portion no. 2 as being 5 stalls, portion number 3 being 6 stalls and portion number 4 being 2 stalls.

The difference, I think is the difference in the outside cladding and the floors.

Part 4 shows a floor of 2" plank on est. 4 x 6 @ 2' centers - no pits.

floor #3 = dirt
floor #2 = dirt
floor #1 of 2" on 4x6 @ 30" centers
Boiler room = dirt floor

Are you aware that there was an office in the corner of the Roundhouse?

The valuation shows 12 Engine pits. However the stalls that have them (there were 19 stalls when the valuation was done) are not enumerated.

The pits show as the following

12 engine pits. 2-3 x 38' x 2-5 + 3-2 deep.
    cross sect. est. thns. - rgh rubble wall. est com. exc.

There is a rough cross section drawing showing a 12 x 12 piece of lumber mounted horizontally on top of a 12" x 2'6" (base) riser. It shows a floor of 2" rough plak.

Todd Hackett did a really nice drawing of the Roundhouse when it was being redone as far as the stalls and stall locations go.

Later in the valuation it shows each pit having 10' of 6" vitreous pipe in a 4" trench for drainage.

* Water + wash out pipe.-
    1 riser 6' of 2" wrought iron pipe 1 galvanized 4 fittings

3 connections each or 24' of 2" wrought iron pipe
    1 gate, 4 fittings. - intr. (interior?)
1 riser 6' of 2" wroughe iron pipe, 3 fittings
   main, under floor - 3 80' 9(?) of 3" wrought iron pipe

Heating, - in round house outofuse, - not connected
  1 coil 9 pcs  - 1 1/4" wrought Iron Pipe x 20' long
     9 fittings
  2' of 1" wrought Iron pipe  - 1 galvanized, 2 fittings
  3' of 1/2" wrought iron pipe - 1 galvanized, 1 fitting

* on Wash out system.
  1 steam pump - horizontal duplex
  Knowles 8x5x12 with fittings said to be owned by the city of Como
  foundation - concrete pier - tip 2' x 5' 4 sides 1:6
  batt top to floor  = 2' to bottom ext. 3-6
  exhaust. - 20' of 1 1/2" wrought Iron pipe.

This does show some interesting dichotomies, though. It shows the length of the stone portion of the Roundhouse as 56'5". It shows the length of the wooden portions as 60' (interior lengths, perhaps?). It also shows the section width on the stone portion as being 14' (between each angle) but on the wooden portion it shows a flat surface between door posts  of 12'.

Hope that this confuses you as much as the rest of us.

Rick


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Lee Gustafson
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Hi Rick,

I'm confused about,  "floor #1 of 2" on 4x6 @ 30" centers" I assume this means the original six stall stone portion had 2" planks on 30" centers but I'm confused by the 4x6 term.  Next "12 engine pits. 2-3 x 38' x 2-5 + 3-2 deep" this I assume means the pits were 38 feet long and the depth was 3-2 feet deep. Correct?  Last where can I find the Todd Hackett drawing of the roundhouse as it  was being redone? Thank you.

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Bill Uffelman
4 x6 are sleepers laid on the ground atv30" centers and 2" thick planks for flooring.

Pits are 38' long 2'6" wide and 3'2" deep.

Bill Uffelman 


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Hi Rick,

I'm confused about,  "floor #1 of 2" on 4x6 @ 30" centers" I assume this means the original six stall stone portion had 2" planks on 30" centers but I'm confused by the 4x6 term.  Next "12 engine pits. 2-3 x 38' x 2-5 + 3-2 deep" this I assume means the pits were 38 feet long and the depth was 3-2 feet deep. Correct?  Last where can I find the Todd Hackett drawing of the roundhouse as it  was being redone? Thank you.

Lee Gustafson


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Lee Gustafson
Bill,

Thanks. That makes sense. Most appreciated.

Lee
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Re: Como roundhouse pits

SteveG
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Hi Rick,
I'm curious about the valuation sketch you reference--is that generally available? I'd ordered the valuation maps  from the CCRM, but they appear to be the same as what's in Blazek's Como notebook, and other published sources of which I'm aware.
I'm especially curious as to when the various segments of the roundhouse extensions were built? I notice in the 1905 photo below (from CRA 12 and the Mineral Belt volume 2) there are two engines (67 and another) sitting alongside the end of wooden extension on trackage that was either roofed over in the last extension, or is otherwise not shown on the 1918 valuation?
1905  Como roundhouse photo from the coal chute
Any insights appreciated!
Steve
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Chris Walker