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Re: C&S #22

Jerry Kitts
Keith,

Thank you for your full disclosure, its good to know a bit more about whom I am dealing with here.

I too have not picked cotton but have milked cows and watch paint dry.

Jerry in California

On Mar 13, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Keith Hayes [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum] wrote:

My money is on wood sills with a cast bolster. This is the C&S, after all. Full disclosure: I have neither picked cotton nor milked cows. I have watched paint dry and corn grow, though.
Keith Hayes
Leadville in Sn3

Jerry in California
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Re: C&S #22

Chris Walker
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Keith,  A cast Bolster ringplate yes, but with forged straps to make the truss, as opposed to a one piece cast bolster.  {:))  

As for the #75 Tender derailment picture, those spaced boards look a lot thicker than what they look like rightside up.  Just what purpose was served by the spacing, drier to prevent rot and rust?  
Perhaps a creepway to the rear although there is no handrail and after the flared sides were done away with , looks to be a bit dicey when moving.  It always makes me think that the Carshop built the tenderframe and the Tankshop supplied a cistern one size smaller than ordered.

Is there a C&S spec sheet on Loco's specific construction details?  Derrell is always referencing the "constant Rebuilding" in his posts and NZR probably never had a wooden Tenderframe down here after 1890 (I need to go look). Our Baldwin's of that period all had steel frames.

UpSideDownC
in New Zealand
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Re: C&S #22

Chris Walker
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Jerry Kitts wrote
Keith,

Thank you for your full disclosure, its good to know a bit more about  
whom I am dealing with here.


Jerry in California

Jerry,  Gazettes, Nov/Dec '94 '96 '01 in the contest results pages, all built with care and deduction from photographs and some measurements and with an awful lot of agonising over details from around 7000 miles away.  

As for the DPL search engine, that's a beast with a mind of it's own.  Perserverence, mostly.  Localities, placenames, geographical features all help.
UpSideDownC
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Re: C&S #22

Jerry Kitts
Hey Chris,

I did not have time yesterday to look through the Gazettes. I am missing the Nov/Dec 94 but found the 96 issue. The mine engine touched a good place in my wicked little heart. I love things industrial and that machine looks very good indeed. If you have more to share I would love to see the photos. As its none C&S maybe you could send direct and not get our fearless leader all up set.

There are a number of really good modelers on this list that I know personally. Traveling with fast company on this group.

Jerry in California


On Mar 13, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Chris Walker [via C&Sn3 Discussion Forum] wrote:

Jerry Kitts wrote
Keith,

Thank you for your full disclosure, its good to know a bit more about  
whom I am dealing with here.


Jerry in California

Jerry,  Gazettes, Nov/Dec '94 '96 '01 in the contest results pages, all built with care and deduction from photographs and some measurements and with an awful lot of agonising over details from around 7000 miles away.
UpSideDownC
in New Zealand


Jerry in California
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Re: C&S #75:Tender Construction; Pickin' Cotton.

Chris Walker

A.A.Anderson Photo excerpt from C&S Platte Canon Memories & Then Some, by Tom and Denise Klinger


I've had a number of emails asking why I am thinking that the #75's Tender was a composite with steel frame members and after wording two seperate long winded replies, I said enough.  To put an end to that I'm offering this.....


A.  Flat surface reflecting the light as it also does on the I-beam flange of the known steel framed Boxcar conveniently upturned for us to compare with.  Note that the depth of these frame members, when compared with known diameter of the Brake-pipe, appear to be considerably shallower than a corresponding timber member should be.  I percieve that the floor slats are in appearance, at least 1/3rd or slightly more, than the total depth of the longitudinal stringer.

B.  Outer face of Stringer reflecting backlight as does the steelstrap on the slatted flooredge:  A. should reflect in this manner also if the vertical surface was present as on a rectangular block.

C.  The most important clue:  a dark area evoking a hollow, the same as the known hollow areas of the Wheelback Ribs, the same dark area on the known I-beam of the SUF Boxcar behind.  To me, this screams a paired (per side) arrangement of web facing outwards C-Channels.  It is also noticed that no protruding fasteners are visible in these dark areas as they would be present on Timber.

D.  Narrow, thin as in steel plate, frame stretcher plates (stiffeners).  This would be a thick block mortised into the stringers if of wooden construction.

E.  Hexagonal Nuts, very clear to identify and allow me to come to F.

F.  These are the Rerailer Frog Hanger brackets,  as they are steel, would have to be bolted to Wooden Stringers.    I see a Domed Head as on a Rivet, there is no angular shape nor an extended threaded shank so I don't see Bolts nor Nuts, only Rivets here as would be used as fasteners to C-channel.  

Those are the clues that I look for when deciephering and postulating on construction details.  If you can provide a better photo with which to dispute any or all of these, please be my guest.
UpSideDownC
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Re: C&S #22

Fatbiker52
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While looking at this thread to get some ideas for my two  moguls Bachmann 21&22, a thought came to me concerning detail parts. Is there any places out there that makes 3d printed details specifically for C&S locos and rolling stock? What I'm looking for is a snowplow and headlights to go my locos?
Fred.
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C&S Kebler pass Subdivision
The Kebler Pass Route
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Re: C&S #22

Jim Courtney
Precision Scale Models offers a great many O scale brass castings for C&S locomotives.

Go to http://www.precisionscaleco.com/

The click on the upper tab labeled "Detail Parts".

On the next page, scroll down to the bottom of the page to the O / On3 Steam Catalog. To the right is a link that will take you to a PDF download for the entire catalog.

Offered are a number of parts from past Precision On3 C&S models, including wood pilots from 1912-1925, snow plow and pilot beam for plow, Ridgeway spark arrestor, various headlights, including the Handlan Buck headlight circa 1905-1915 and an early box headlight circa 1908-1925.

 A variety of fittings particular to the C&S are also offered.

The parts are illustrated and listed alphabetically. Just browse through each page, or print the whole thing out.

Hope this helps,

Jim
Jim Courtney
Poulsbo, WA
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